joining us, lou brien is joining us from chicago, a strategist at drw trading. mark, believe it or not, yesterday i watched general electric lower two straight days because apparently some people are downgrading it or at least making some negative comments. and maybe already about the fiscal cliff. art, do you think that's actually happening to the economy at large because we're not in 2013 yet, but because they're already cutting back? >> well, there may be some relation that growth is going to be slower in the fourth quarter, in the first half of 2013. and just about any resolution that we get on the fiscal cliff. and, you know, i think that the -- there was a lot of optimism at the start of the week and it faded a little bit. i don't think all that much has changed. they're probably not going -- not going to get a final deal done until the early days of january. and that way, they're able to -- that way they're able to say they're voting for a tax cut instead of a tax increase and everybody is happy. >> really. so who wants to go over the cliff more, then? bo